Yeah, thread drift is usually my specialty. Harrumph! However, I remember the first time I tried to pose two people kissing romantically in 3D (fairytale ending... just a sweet gentle kiss). I knew that his legs had to go through her dress (Anton's 18th century clothing on both of them... that is a w-i-d-e skirt), but getting his hand to barely touch her arm was an exercise. IIRC, she was holding an fan with her other hand, so was jabbing him in the wrong places too until I got things untangled. At least it was a still image! If the project had gone through, I'd have had to animate them dancing together, and it would have been obvious that his legs were going through the skirt. :sigh: There are times when it is faster to reach for a pencil. Carolly