Misha - I do know what I did now and it did happen during the initial conversion. When I converted, I inadvertently clipped the crap out of the red channel. All of these with exception of toned/softened one came from the same image (the color one) that was then converted to grayscale in PS. The last one was done as grayscale through raw conversion (as described above). That one is the only one I really did any exposure and curve settings to which is why I think the lighting looks nicer (the other ones is just untouched except for color temperature setting). It's also why the banding is worse, but the others have it too. Will need to watch that when I convert for real. 'chelle - ok, here you go. I just grabbed and changed image size on each of these in PS. Nothing fancy. These are the ones that I played with. Because I didn't do a real conversion, there is loss of detail and a couple colorissues in these so ignore that. I think the softer, moodier treatment works well on these. -=>Donald