It's looking great!I like it, you're doing more with the vertex's than any one I've seen, I'd really like to see how they modelled that gargoyle on the front of the Carrara box. My computer is a 600mhz athlon/448MB of ram and I get wierd error messages in the vertex room when trying to manipulate a sphere with 40 polygons, then my screen goes gray and it says rendering failed, did you ever have these problems? Nice work man.......