"How times have changed ....." Dunno; I still have no problem with the pricing (either then or now), and I still don't feel victimized by DAZ by buying something from them. (shrug) I do however worry about some aspects of their operations thus far. "So, has the company changed, or have the demands of the market and community changed? If anything, DAZ's prices are even lower than they were then." Yes, the company has changed in growth and in mission, both of which is hurting them because of their existing structure, IMHO. There is also something Ironbear pointed out with precision over at PPros: "I think they've hit and displaced CL as the new Neon Gods in the community" /P