Dan Farr has given a few responses in the PC forum thread - soothing tones with a "trust me, DAZ aren't bad people" theme, and the thread has now been locked. Well, that should prevent the peasants from revolting! The only thing I couldn't really "understand" in the thread was those members who stated almost outright that they don't care how staff are treated so long as they can buy cheap products. REALLY reminded me of the sweat-shop situations, where child labour produces product that is sold for a years salary or more. I may be "odd" in having some concern for those that do the work so many of us benefit from - but if so I celebrate my oddness! SS - good luck at Poser Pros and/or wherever you go, whatever you do. Judging by what I see of DAZ this weekend, you've made the right choice to move on completely. Cheers, Cliff