Thanks Liz for sharing those thoughts. One thing that I would like to add is that this whole trip was based around a couple of guys who lived in Japan for 2 years wanting to justify a reason to go back (Ryan and Josh) by meeting with people in the development community. We also felt that it would be a good time for us to meet the new owners of Curious Labs (that is why Bryan went along). On top of that there is a Lightwave 8 release party where Newtek invited to show our Lightwave Mimic. There were these reasons plus the fact that those guys have been putting a lot of effort in lately. Nakamuram wrote, "Maybe Koz will buy DAZ and give everything away for FREE!! " Not such a bad idea either:) Dan Farr