Obviously, there's a color difference here, and being used to poser, I'd say the 3rd pic looks best. But it's difficult to judge. For example, I reduced the intensity of the poser lights in DS by 20% because the settings were way too bright. Also, this is the 3delight renderer. You have a choice of that or open GL and I haven't tried it yet. Couple of good things. Jpegs can be saved automatically without typing in extensions and when you close DS, it now asks if you want to save the scene (as a .daz file). Must play some more with it tomorrow. mac