Sometimes there is a measure of satisfaction in achieving a particular result within one application. I think the main reason for mentioning post work, as is common with 3D apps as well as fractals, is that many viewers are artists who habitually think about the techniques or structure of art as well as the aesthetics, so it's a courtesy to the curious. On the subject of whether something "is" a fractal, it's not as simple as what programs are used. XenoDream and UF in particular can make objects/pictures that have little or no fractal aspects, and it's not always obvious just from the result. In XD, an object made from just one holon may be quite complex but has no fractal properties (unless modified by an iterative metamorph such as gnarl or popcorn.) But you can make objects such as vases that are definitely fractals though some viewers may be skeptical (I will be posting a series of teacups soon). Some fractal art communities are equally open to shapes that are mathematical but not fractal, some may not be. Regards, Garth