I don't get this any more than I get the 'bashing DAZ' thing. I've been complaining like hell over in the DAZ forums recently about people who tear DAZ to shreds for something that is its internal business. I hate it when people rip things up just for the hell of it. Threaten an swear and say 'I'm never going to buy their stupid products again' and the like. Just as little do I understand the "Gee, thanks DAZ!!" thing. They're NOT in the business to be gentle knights in shining armor - or black holes of hell either. They're a business - making a profit hopefully so they can take home a salary - and along the way, hopefully, they make some good business decisions. Like selling good product and giving good service. They do that quite well. And that's the end of it. -------------------- BUT - to people who give things away - who make freebies, tuts or constructive comments in Poser forums - I say THANK YOU!! -------------------- :] Fish