a bit strange that a site decides to remove art because it wasn't a fractal according to them really, hopefully they won't remove mine, for else the site won't be mentioned in the top worldwide computer graphics sites on my behalf *SMILE* anyways, i do more postwork than fractalizing images, as a matter of fact anyone can make fractals without having to use the fractal generators or equivalent programs i bet ya can't much tell of a difference between some of my work and that of a fractal artist, i just use a different method or calculation. in my old days as a young highschool student i made fractals manually, and thats what i am doing now as well, just having another tool, i.e. computer, instead of a pen and liner ... and of course i use zillionz of different programs to accomplish anything which looks more like a fractal than a watercolour-painting, and if i take the fractal away, it looks like a painting. have a nice day Harmen