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Subject: Team 3dZone, Nanoshi, and Insomniaworks Development Forum Thread Number 4


The3dZone ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 11:23 AM

great plane insomnia, will it come in pink with yellow flames?...lol :0)

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insomniaworks ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 11:43 AM

Pink and yellow flames uh? Hehehe. Sounds good!


Caly ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 12:12 PM

Insomnia, checked your IMS lately? :)

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The3dZone ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 12:17 PM

:0)

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insomniaworks ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 12:31 PM

no, I guess I havn't checked them in the last 24 hours. Just checked them and replyed to your message Caly.


insomniaworks ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 4:47 PM

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Here is the jet after 30 hours work. I am planning retractable landing gear and working gear doors. Most of the cockpit is pretty much layed out.


The3dZone ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 4:55 PM

very nice,it's coming along great :0)

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Nanoshi ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 5:45 PM

hehehe cool, can we get a side and rear piccy too? I want to see what the back end looks like :)


compiler ( ) posted Fri, 16 April 2004 at 7:36 PM

Great look indeed ! Since it may be time for suggestions : 1-as Nanoshi said the refueling pylon is really looking odd here, even for anime. It should be rotated 15-30 to the right. 2-The glass part of the nose was characteristic of the WW2 bombers. A man crouched in them to observe the ground and open the bombs trap when the crosseye was on target. In modern fighters the nose is crammed full of electronics. I'd suggest to make 2 versions : one with the glass cockpit and a huge "anime" bomb (something like the Rocket50 at RDNA) and one replacing the glass part with a huge pin mounted Vulcan cannon with 6 barrels (and a shark grin painted on the fuselage). 3-Where is the engine ? Is it a jet ? if so, where are the reactors ? 4-I would make the tires less thin. Jets often have much larger tires to better dampen the landing shock. Well, I hope I haven't been too pesky on this one. I'm looking forward to see your project finished !


insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 8:33 AM

I appriciate all your sugestions and I will take them all into consideration, but I am builing a particular image rather than a vehicle. Considering that I am modeling in "Toon" mode, I am relaxing on making it totally realistic. So that said, please make sugestions! But, it don't mean I will take them, lol. In a way I am creating this one just like I want and putting out there for buyers to choose to buy if they choose. This is my own selfish artistic expression. Ins the second picture I rotated the refueling pylon probably about 7 degrees off center. I put refueling pylon there because I made the front end resemble or have some of the personality or remind one of the A6 Intruder which has always been one of my favorite aircaft. I do know that the there are there are two positions side by side and the pylon would be between them. If the pylon bothers everyone so much, I will remove it, but to me it looks cool. Next subject,front canopy---new this might be a contriversal subject. I put it there for two reasons. I copied the idea from another anime picture that had a similar bubble in front for a purpose I could not understand. By the way, I also copied the reactor pods almost exactly from the same anime picture. Second reason is I didn't want to hide the anime doll away - this will make the animedoll more visable thus giving the aircaft a almost clothing characteristic. This canopy makes no sense at all, I understand and only belongs on a bomber, LOL, but I did it because its anime. What are those reactor pods doing out there, I don't have any idea...Like I said, I copied that aspect from an anime picture that I will post in a later reply. Why did I do the wheels like I did, because she is "pimped" hehehe. I made them thin profile on purpose like a pimped car. Make no sence on a fighter, I know LOL. I appriciate all your feedback, but look at cartoons and anime and ask your self how many of the vehicles make sence---none of them do,....LOL. Also this gives the artist has the ability create his own technology, no matter how outlandish, to explain. I must also point out for interest sake, that the anime picture used for inspiration, left no room in the aircraft for landing gear. Also the the fuselage unrealistally short. It was a struggle putting retractable landing gear in a fuselage so short. When I was a child, I went to the smithsonion air and space musium and saw the one of those tiny rocket fighters made by germany during the world war II. I couldn't believe the thing had aerodynamics to fly. It had no landing gear, just a skid. So I guess what I am trying to say, that this fighter resembles something you might find in the list of german secret aircraft in production or on the drawing board during world war II. marty


compiler ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 8:48 AM

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Yup, it looks like a cross between a Komet (above) and a Me262 (below), with a touch of a B-something bomber. No problem with making it an "anime non realistic" aircraft, Marty ! It's your project and your vision ! I only wished to give some input, but I won't get bad feeling if you ignore them altogether. Best wishes.


Nanoshi ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 8:51 AM

Marty, the aircraft is fine :) I actually like the bubble on the front, lets here see what's beneathe her when she looks down, nothing wrong with that conception, could for taking photo's or tricky stunts. There are actually alot of 'bubble' planes like this flying today so don't worry about it. the Fuel Pylon is fine I was just a little concerned about her visiblity but it's no biggy. I'd still like to see a vulcan cannon though (3 barrelled one not a 6 one, 6 is too much like an A10). but like ya say it's anime and no those vehicles don't make sense especially the transforming mecha.


insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:08 AM

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That german rocket fighter you posted compiler was the one that I saw at the musium. The memory of that aircraft was a big inspiration in this model. I was looking everywhere to find a picture and couldn't find one. With all this talk about vulcan cannons, I can't really not put one or two in it I guess. :) http://www.luft46.com/ check out this site of artworks of german concept aircaft. I am going to use this site for more ideas I build another aircraft. I have posted a picture of an A6 intruder also that was also used for inspiration for this arcraft.


Nanoshi ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:17 AM

hehehe yeah you see the refuling nozzle there is much taller than the canopy so when the refuller comes down the canopy isn't obsucred. the refuling bouy is a funnel like object on a pipe about the diameter of a large dustbin lid probably even wider than that. still a great plane though :)


The3dZone ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:25 AM

all this talk about planes reminds me.... the3dzone2 just left for the sun n fun airshow today and i forgot to give him the camera! (bangs head on desk) the3dzone

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insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:36 AM

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Thank you, I guess I will probably do away with the refueling pipe since it is a topic of such dispute. I thought I would post another picture of the work I got done yesterday. It shows the general layout of the cockpit. I am putting duel joysticks in the cockpit for control. The joysticks are only rods now, but they will be detailed. They are there to show the general positon. marty


The3dZone ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:45 AM

very cool, i'm still thinking pink with yellow flames...hehe but i really like compiler's idea of the shark face too. i know ,i'm thinking ahead,but i think as a texturer instead of a modeller,so just ignore me me till it's time to texture...lol the3dzone

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Nanoshi ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:51 AM

hehehehe I like your plane Insomnia it's inspiring me to get round to making a mecha I keep planning on doing but stopping. and finishing Bonaparte off. I've been toying with a futuristic hocky game involving a spiked ball and some hocky sticks that double as lethal weapons, might even make an arena for it. not sure weather to make it ice skates, rollaer blades or jetpack based. if they had little jetpacks it could make for a real action packed bloodbath of a sport. Ideal setting for an anime adventure I think, you could have fun making lots of team colours and strips and focus on a main 'hero team' and have a sutiable baddy team could be fun. thought of calling it 'Glaive-Ball' I am gonna jot some ideas down and it would be fun to get everyone involved on strip design :)


insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:53 AM

I am very worried about the uvmapping, lol. This will be a bear to uvmap and it depends on how well I can do it wether I can do anything I want with the texture. Such as all your sugestions. I am also considerating a non-see thru front end also as Compier as sugested. I am not happy with my joysticks, do you think a single stick comming up thru her legs will be better? Or some sort of yoke or stearing wheel. marty


SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 9:58 AM

And include UV Maps! This is just screaming for a 'Totally SPies' style hippie texture. Sam: Ok everyone! Move in! Alex: I can't, i'm no good at joysticks! Clover: Don't tell me you've never played a game in your life... Alex: AHH! They broke my refuling pipe! Sam: What refuling pipe?


insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 10:07 AM

hehehe, senshi Nanoshi - Cool idea! Post some pictures. marty


insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 10:23 AM

Nanoshi: I must add that it was you that inspired me to begin building this. I was thinking of it as part of the Battle Force Senbotsu line. When you began working on your hi tech models, I began to think how I would build them and began doing so. I am worried about building this, I must tell you, I am in unfamiliar territory with this project. I hope the end product is what I expect and what you would want, but its iffy. Like I said, my biggest worry right now is the uvmap, it promises to be the one of the most difficult yet. This aircraft has so many parts its going to be a nightmare. Secondly I am worried about making the retracting landing gear work well. I am going to be dealing with strange angles here instead of right angles and this will be difficult I feel. I am consideering doing some remodeling to the reactor pods and converting them to weapons housings. I would plan in doors that will open and weapons deployed. But I have to make room for the landing gear which holds top priority. Third thing is I am going to make hinges for the landing gear doors and I am afraid that I don't have enough room for them. Forth thing is how good is it going to sell? Will it be worth building a second item like this one? My guess is that it will take about 100 hours to build or less if everything goes well. I got lots of worries. marty


The3dZone ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 10:45 AM

hey insomnia,
what about this type of joystick contols
more defined by you ofcoarse,(these only took five mins) when you sid two sticks on eack side,they just popped in my head,the red thing is a thumb controlled button.

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insomniaworks ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 10:53 AM

Thats a good idea 3dzone, I thought about it for a moment but I am not sure. I am thinking that a central joystick would look "tougher". I am just not sure how I will add it into the cockpit yet. I already tried a yoke(stearing wheel) yesterday and didn't like the way it looked. marty


The3dZone ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 11:01 AM

yea,i don't think the steering wheel thing would look right either.

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compiler ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 12:10 PM

Attached Link: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=46001&Start=1&Artist=jbezorg&ByArtist=Yes

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Speaking of flying armor, I'm revisiting an old freebie named "Titan armor". The original design was from a RPG (paper) game named "rifts", and the original model was made by jbezorg (see link for a great pic he made with it). Unfortunately the model was quite flawed (much too many polygons, missing polys or reversed normals). I'm in the process of adapting it to AnimeDoll (using Marty's catsuit). I have e-mailed and Imed the author but got no success in reaching him so far, so I don't know if I'll get the authorisation to bring this to freestuff. So I'm on stand by, not wanting to spend too much time on something that I cannot finally release.


SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 1:01 PM

COOLIES!


Riddokun ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 1:15 PM

woow good really; to bad the author is not reachable. what does the freebie licence of his item say ?


compiler ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 2:23 PM

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I don't know what the licence says : the file is not available anymore. The item dates back from 2001 and the last MP item for this author is around the same time. A good part of my files have been MIA during the 2 HD crashes my computer suffered in 2003, some I'm clueless. If I don't get an answer in the next days, I'll send an SOS in the Poser forum. I also have another ongoing project. It's based on a mesh from the Lightwave group whose author was kind enough to give me permission to use and post as freebie. Viomar has helped me an awful lot transferring it from Lightwave to Poser. It is in the final phase of modelling, and I had planned to begin rigging it soon, but now I feel uncertain about it : I wouldn't want to seem to infringe on Marty's excellent work.


SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 2:50 PM

No, don't worry Compiler! Two mecha-plane-fuses are better than one! Also, in my recent picture, i tried out the bikini and it has no problems whatsoever.....absolutly no problems.....none....zilch.......um.......hey, does anyone read El Goonish Shive? Their costumes could make pretty good Catsuit Expansion Freebies.....


compiler ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 4:32 PM

No problem, Marty. I don't want to cause any loss of sales for you. This project has waited on my shelf for many weeks, it can wait even more, until your plane's sales are over (I can't sell it since I wasn't the one who made the mesh and Viomar did so much work on it). If I finish it before getting your green light, I'll just send it to you, and you'll see if you want to make it available to your usual team or in the freestuff. Is that all right with you ? For the moment, I'm learning how to model. But I'm a much slower learner than Nanoshi... Don't loose hope over a little slow down in the sales, it will get better : you're doing an excellent work (your swimsuit was most excellent), so it will pay in the end.


The3dZone ( ) posted Sat, 17 April 2004 at 5:17 PM

Attached Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2474311857&category=6737

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hey, check this out,i like it! i think there are enough pics on the page for reference if someone cares to build it :0) the3dzone

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SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Sun, 18 April 2004 at 3:05 AM

The only thing I can say is, Thunderbirds or GO! I'm not even a fan of it yet it reminds me of it......


insomniaworks ( ) posted Sun, 18 April 2004 at 6:37 PM

Thank you 3dZone for those pictures. Compiler: I really don't know how long it will be until I finish the jet plane. I don't expect to work on this all at one time to get it to market. I think it will have to be something that I come back to time to time. I really don't expect it to ern the amount of money I would like for the amount of work into this project. marty


Grimjerk ( ) posted Sun, 18 April 2004 at 10:48 PM

Compiler: I still have the original zip for the titan power armor freebie, here is the exact text of the readme: Titan Power Armor: Well, it's not exactly finished and the things huge but what the hell, it's free. I've been fooling around with a better modeler than RDS so as soon as I get the hang of it, I'll fix the holes. Extract these files to your Poser folder (directory) using the option to extract using folder (directory) names. cr2 & rsr files: Runtime/Libraries/character/Titan jpg files: Runtime/Textures/Titan Restrictions for use: You are not allowed to resell the contents of this zip file without permission and for noncommercial/personal use only. These restrictions supplement and supercedes the free stuff license published on http://www.lightwavesgraphics.com/License.html Enjoy jbezorg Greg Henle Light Waves Graphics www.lightwavesgraphics.com


SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Mon, 19 April 2004 at 4:35 AM

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Hey, just to let you know, i'm getting started on Kitty-N for the catsuit. But there are things missing: Platform Boots! If anyone makes platform boots for AD as a freebie I would be priviladged to make a kitty-n texture for them. Mask! I dunno how to do this. Wait until someone makes a mask, or texture onto the face.....tell me what you think. Hair! She has two curly peices of hair coming out. I'm thinking of giving them a try in rhino......i'll see what I can do..... Now, admire the picture.


-Yggdrasil- ( ) posted Mon, 19 April 2004 at 7:52 AM

Nice kitty logo. =^_^=


SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Mon, 19 April 2004 at 9:17 AM

Thankies! It's actually just a circle with the ears (copy and past to get them exact) =^O^= Meow!


Riddokun ( ) posted Mon, 19 April 2004 at 10:39 AM

cool btw nothing product showcase/catsuit related but i finally managed to find/tweak hair props to reproduce DOA's Ayane hair cut.. so expect another DOA toon picture soon in my gallery...


The3dZone ( ) posted Tue, 20 April 2004 at 2:32 PM

Attached Link: http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=27889

FYI- The Stringi Bikini has been released to the marketplace! :0) (if i am behind in this info,just ignore me,i'm going thru a system crash...lol)

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SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Tue, 20 April 2004 at 2:41 PM

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Hey, here is a picture of Kitty-N herself! I couldn't model to save my life, so I used anime doll's hair props to get her hair. Now, would anyone be so kind to create a mask and a pair of platform shoes......and maybe a glove? You could release them as freebies, then I could make textures for them and release the textures in a Kitty-N pack!


The3dZone ( ) posted Tue, 20 April 2004 at 3:11 PM

i was working on a mask before my crash :0( i didn't get to save it either crying over my own loses the3dzone

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SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Wed, 21 April 2004 at 2:30 AM

Nanoshi!? I'm SenshiTaurus! pout Yes, i know they seem a bit straight, it's just the early stages and will be fixed. Now, i'm just going to go to school........


Caly ( ) posted Wed, 21 April 2004 at 10:00 AM

Hopefully things will look up soon all-around.

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compiler ( ) posted Wed, 21 April 2004 at 2:09 PM

I wish you all the best for the future in both your businesses, Marty. Cheer up !


Nanoshi ( ) posted Thu, 22 April 2004 at 4:57 AM

Hi all, you all been busy in here it seems, I been MIA a few days as at the weekend I shattered my cheak bone and eye socket :( so been in hospital last few dyas being patched up. So out at home now recouperating.


The3dZone ( ) posted Thu, 22 April 2004 at 5:39 AM

Omg! i hope you feel better Nanoshi.

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Caly ( ) posted Thu, 22 April 2004 at 8:58 AM

Get well soon!

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compiler ( ) posted Thu, 22 April 2004 at 11:46 AM

Sorry to hear bad news from you Nanoshi. I hope you get well soon.


SenshiTaurus ( ) posted Thu, 22 April 2004 at 2:29 PM

Oh my gosh Nanoshi! I send all my hugs and get well soons to you! hugs nanoshi Get well soon!


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