Dear Mr. Williams: It died under the weight of its own hubris ;) Meanwhile, I concur with Bijou on the potential for the GIRL mesh... lots of room for lots of ideas there, and no, I'm not talkin' just pinups and cheesecake, either. (Although if Hack ever gets his meaty Wacom tablet lashed onto 'er...) I wonder what Neftis, Dark Whisper, and the fine folks at 3DC who assembled Alexa are thinking right now, though... out of the three, Alexa has the best support overall, but they all will get pushed aside to make room for you-know-what... I'm not passing judgements here (I have all three toon chars mentioned), but just saying what's likely to happen. I guess I'm wondering what the three folks (or group thereof) are going to do to keep interest alive in their own products? Then again, that all depends on how the Poser-izing of GIRL goes, no? /P