Daio, Thanks once again for the wonderful generousity! I have to say that your horse stuff and what you can do with the p4 horse is amazing. That being said, I think you are being rough on the pour old milhorse, having seen some of the earlier meshes of him and seen some of the serious issues they had to hammer out, I think he's pretty doggone good. Yes the withers do seem to slope, but I think they can fix that...I think they overcompensated for having withers that were way to too high and pointed in an earlier mesh. as for the problems of they horse not looking axactly like all the breeds, I think you could cut them a little slack. Not all of these modelers have really seen horses and can't pick out the difference as easily as people that have been. They were working under a tough time table and trying to do such numerous breeds with such diverse characteristics is very hard I would imagaine. I was suprised that they even put in a shetland morph seeing how very different they look from a horse. I'm sure they take some of this feedback into account and so some updating, but for right now I still like this better than the p4 horse if just for the expressions of the face.