Good points there. Yes Lightwave is very powerful in many respects. But most of that power goes largely unused by myself. Some product shots and a few logo animations a month are all that I currently do. Small market where I am from. So far from the demo, I feel Carrara can do all that I require and a whole lot more if I get to that stage. Of course if I get to that stage I can always go bacl to Lightwave (7.5). Right now though, an update is about to be released for LW. Rendering speed from what I have seen has not been addressed. Physics have and appear fairly complete. But I was impressed with the physics example in Carrara demo. I will continue to play with the demo and then after a week or two make a decision. The cost for the upgrade to LW is about the same as the whole cost of Carrara. But since I dont use a whole lot of the extra features of Lightwave now, I think Carrara will probably be the better choice. Plus like I said, sometimes an app change can get you excited again. Cheers