No worries guys. One reason it hasn't taken off as well as perhaps it deserves is a certain amount of inertia coupled with "Oh No! Poser 5!" (the latter a sadly reasonable reaction to some of the problems some early adopters had). The Intertia aspect - a lot of people are already comfortable with Poser 4 or Poser Pro Pack - if they can do all they want to there then there's little reason to change (indeed I'd discourage it - there's no point changing unless one can gain a benefit). Poser 5's advanced features are more likely to confuse a Poser 4/PP addict IMHO than a newbie because a newbie doesn't have to unlearn anything. I find it easiet when there's any question to pick a name like "Nerd","Little Dragon" or "PhilC" because I've a fair chance of being right to point someone in that kind of direction and it makes it look like I know something :) Cheers, Cliff