Thanks Mike. I have already been there and bookmarked it. I already have a pretty good foundation in 3D having used Lightwave for several years plus Infini-D before that. I also use Vue. So the initial learning curve faced by those new to 3D wont be there. Getting to know the interface and the program intimately will be different though. I plan to spend about an hour each night until it arrives, just playing with the demo. I am getting better at running the program. I may have to spend more than an hour each night though, the plant editor alone keeps me interested for that long. ;-) 600 pages? Cool, I really like a program with big detailed manuals. I still find myself thumbing through my Lightave manual. For reference a lot, but sometimes just for an overview of features I dont use, but find interesting. BTW, I have seen your images and they are excellent.