hmm .. frankly I see no resemblance to anyone and the last one needs an opthmologist ...bad. Plus, you really should bone up on your rendering, if the render looks amateurish your product can only suffer. And a note? keep your greivances private. Carrolly made a very simple and polite point and you were most unneccasarily rude in public. Again, that only makes you look bad. Carolly I know and respect, you on the other hand? mmmmm ... lets just say you'll need to work to change my opinion at this point. mutters Kids these days have no manners I guess .... Lyrra The Evil Overlord (ex)