well not sure what it was actually ( I had another post here but now it is gone for some reason, showing the black membrains, and stating that I was just going to start from scratch as I loaded up another dragon and applied the mat pose to it and the wings rendered fine, so it was something that I did ( possibly that backface polygones thing ) any way thatnks for all the tips and thoughts. here is the image that I was working on. ( a little reduced in size)

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