As has already been pointed out here, we have been through all of this before. Poser and Vue go hand in hand and always will, the reason? Because Vue scenes look better, and feel more realistic when they have Poser characters in them.. But when does a picture start crossing the line between them? Who knows.. I use 3D Studio to create models for my scenes, and I 'have' used Poser also to add characters, but my scenes are never heavily influenced by either program, predominantly it is Vue that you see when you look at my work, and heres a good example: In my gallery the heaviest use of other programs is in 'My Venice'. Everything here is modelled in 3d Studio max (with the obvious exception of the trees) what you are looking at is 90% actually 'created' with max, but does that make it a 3D studio pic? No.. and here's why. I have 'composed' the image and the models within Vue. I have textured every object within Vue (over 200 of them and thats no quick feat I can tell you) I have lit the scene with several lights, changing bumpmaps, textures etc to get the feel and look I wanted. And I have rendered the scene in Vue (this adds a severe amount of weight to it being a Vue picture in my opinion) Then I did postwork in Photoshop, quite a bit actually... So, its a mish mash of 3 programs now, but the main reason I posted it in the Vue gallery is because 'most' of what you see is done with Vue. The textures alone (which lets be honest are one of the most important success or failure processes in creating the kind of work showcased here on Renderosity) are entirely done with Vue. Now, I realise that you are not talking about 3DStudio, and your original issue was with Poser, I am simply using 3d Studio as an example of how much other programs can be used in conjunction with Vue to create art. Its the only program I use a lot in my scenes as I am not a heavy Poser user and I dont want to start pulling other peoples work apart to get my point across. A point that we as Vue users, have had to defend time and time again. The bottom line as I see it is simply... If the majority of the creation process is done in Vue, then its a view pic. Kutter.