sailor_ed, Got me! yes lamx.ai. Believe it or not I do try to error check my posts before posting but it seems lately one or two errors /ommissions get by me anyway. I also failed to mention that I started from the point of having divided the views into their own .bmps as BrainMuffin suggests and in step 1 you start with a "new from scratch" scene already opened so that trace will work in TCad. It is a testiment to IMSI that the trace function works as well as it does. I only wish that whoever programmed TCad would have been able to make the early versions work with later versions of the MFC42 library. If there wasn't a blurb in IMSI's tech support telling me that It needed the early version of MFC42 to work I would have thrown the disk away by now. Thank God I didn't, eh? If I can learn CAD a little better I might even upgrade to TC10 LOL(by then though they'll probably be on version ten and I'll be trying yo figure out how to upgrade to Carrara 5.) - TJ