wow... this forum fills up fast.... for who3d, i also have had lots of success with cloth hair, but am also working on using the cloth simulator to simulate soft skin. it can be done!!! i think, from the general opinions, that id be better off trying to earn some pocket money by selling some of my vehicles and buildings, although the buildings are all japanese textured. after retexturing maybe..... soon, i might release some free dynamic clothes, and the world will see that my dynamic clothes are better than the standard meshes, and then people will bow to me and i shall rule this planets people with an iron fist...... perhaps ive said too much. dynamic clothing rocks!!! and poser 5 is great. it compares with maya if you are a genius and can figure stuff out....... having people like all of you around makes it all warm and cozy feeling to learn in too....... thanks people.