Ok, i don't want to jump completely into this discussion. Only some remarks. #1 I don't do free advertisement for any company here. I do 3D images. So the fact wether i do things with or without postwork is not really relevant to me. I want to create good images. #2 "You said "some of the images are pretty close to photo-realistic straight from the render output!" What is photo-realism? Is that a goal most of us want to achieve? I don't think so. For me it was always much more important to develop a unique style for the medium 3D. When i want photos i take my camera and go out. Much more healthy btw. #3 you said "A GOOD 3D Package should put the ability to produce fantastic images in EVERYONES hands and credit should be given to those that have the skill to push these packages to their limits." Is that not possible in all 3D packages? I think it is. It is more a question what you want to achieve. In all creative areas it is important to respond to the specific capabilities of the tool/medium you are using. Create an oil painting with a pencil - will be difficult. Funny to see me saying all this, because i think i am one of the most strict "no-postwork" guys around here. I even don't use alpha planes in my work (normally). But for me it is more a sportive thing than anything else. "No-postwork" is not a value for it's own. I hope it was not to straight, was not my intention. Walther

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