You know it really amazes me how many people read an original post and COMPLETELY miss the point!!! All I was saying is, it would be great if we could separate out pure 3d renders from postworked ones. Its plainly obvious that in the production of art you are totally free to use what ever combinations of packages you want to produce your final image. However, there are some of us who are facinated by the computer generation of realism and some of us that want to learn how to use the package better and want to see producers of these packages continue to develop them. I for one would love good 3d artists to explain how they made hair look so real, or how they achieved that certain lighting effect within the package - at least I could then have half a chance at reproducing it. PLEASE can we stick to the original question and stop defending your right to produce art by whatever means you desire - that fact is taken as read! In conclusion, (and this is a question for the moderators), could we have a separate gallery that allows us 'purists' to display their work. Instead of the genre, we could maybe select the package we used. Just one measly new gallery, PLEASE....?????