"this business of showing the capabilities of the software package appeals to a sort of anally retentive class of people who like things like collecting matchbox labels. It is nothing about art." Phantast, I can appreciate your concern, but I think you're going a little far. I like CG photorealism, that is my main interest in poser. Surfing the galleries here has become quite a chore, having to sift through thousands of fantasy airbrush fluff pics to find the occasional gem by an artist like Dash or TwiztidKidd. But maybe thats just me and my taste. Everyone else seems to enjoy looking a paintings of fairies sitting on giant mushrooms with a rainbow in the background. So I do postwork myself, but I tend to prefer viewing pics without a lot of postwork, or at least post-painting. I'm feeling both sides of this argument, but I'd hate to see it taken to far.