Seven. If you add an 8th endless argumants ensue (so a pinhead is not so very different from the internet). IMHO I shouldn't remove the word "foolish" because I was quoting a self-contradicting statement. Is implication was that purists MUST be foolish because they were the only ones arguing - everyone else was off elsewhere creating art. Therefore everyone in this thread MUST be a purist who is anti-postwork by definition...erm... were that accurate I know that I would find it pretty foolish! I'm also not defending myself as I'm not a purist. The problem as I see it is that each "side" (for want of a better term) is definisng the contents of the thread in entirely different terms. One is saying "when the rules say apples, why do so many of us eat oranges?" while the opposing side say (I will darn well drink cola if I like and don't ANYONE dare to tell me to drink milk!". Which kinda leaves the discussion at something of a stalemate, I feel :( Cheers, Cliff PS there is the occasional misguided member in the middle who tries to see both sides, but that can easily drive you insane!