exactly... well, i don't use UF, FE, Chaos, POVRAY, Apophysis nor use other peoples formulas to make my designs, not that i can't, but i don't like windoooz and all the troubles with it, i use a macintosh, which i use for 20 years allready without any real significant complaints; i may get annoyed sometimes when an application suddenly quits, but thats because i do things which the computer can't handle ... like manipulating an image with photoshop which takes more RAM than it has ... but i get there one way or the other so i use artmatic pro which only works on a mac, AND i design my stuff with an unique style no one has, i work huge, and zoom in till 1600% sometimes, till i find no mistake in my designs, i manipulate [distort, skew, twirl, mirror, scale, blend etc] my images so much for many hours till i decide it's perfect and ready to publish; and can print it in any format as well, without blurry side-effects i publish in this fractal-gallery, not only because ppl like me to, but also because the basic is an artmatic pro fractal and like rumple, i feel home here, and we may inspire others to try something similar with other software than what we use anyone is an artist in his/her own view, no matter what he/she uses to make his/her designs, and shouldn't be judged by others for he/she doesn't use this or that software to make his/her creations... or say: oh, i don't know the software your using, so i don't comment ... or: he doesn't belong here for he doesn't use Ultra Fractal or Fractal Explorer or whatever, this is the fractal gallery, not meant to be only for fractalists who use wintel programs ... and per definition a fractal can be made with other programs than with fractal generators ... i use a formula, a macro, in photoshop, to repeatedly do the same transformation: scaling, rotating, mirroring till i have on my screen what i want thats my two pennies smile have a nice weekend and be happy :-))