Great Mike. Glad you found that. Been too busy taking care of my wife to actually play much with the program, but I should get a chance to get into it sometime in the next week. I had to work on my sisters' computer last night and reinstall Windows, so I took the manual over there to read while I was working on it. The manual is pretty good. The master light option is pretty cool. I know I used the spreadsheet feature a lot in Lightwave. Right now I am in the process of working with the texturing options. I notice on the Texture map option there is no option to set the position of the map. There are no numeric entry panels to set the exact position of the texture. Perhaps this can be done with a reference texture? In LW you have control of where the texture is positioned. This makes it easy to animate movement of the texture along a given direction(s). If not Im sure there is a workaround. I hope anyway. Also, the layer option for placing textures is very strange. Its very hard to position them using that method. Guess I will have go into the modeler and set up domains. I am trying to get different materials for each part of a logo. The bevel, sides and front. I will keep experimenting with it. Need to pick up the manual tomorrow from my sister's house. I accidently left it there last night. With the manual it should be easier. The online manual is ok, but I prefer the hardcopy/ Cheers.