Grief people! (and that's enough from me on THAT topic!). elektra: Where would an organic web shooter grow on dear ole petey though? I wouldn't have thought that his wrists would, genetically speaking, be the prime candidate... but I think more acuurate might well gross out a large proportion of the potential audience! Khrys: Try using a transmap as a specularity map for practise purposes. It's basiclaly the same kind of technique, except using "shinyness" instead of "transparency". Cheers, Cliff