Thanks Mark. I think the price is wonderful. I realise the limitations with pixel effects, thats why I like the idea of generating real geometry. This will allow reflection and refraction of fur effects. I have a lot of idea already that I can use it for, much more than fur as you also mentioned. I was wondering though, is it better to go ahead and get the Power Pack at $99? I think I will want Grooves too. Together they approach the price of the Power Pack. Donnie