"The Face Room thing was part of the reason that DAZ decided to go their own way" Wow, thats a really sad thing to hear. Yet it makes all too much sense. There seems to have been a serious fragmenting of the community since the introduction of P5, and with this all coming out its not hard to understand why. I miss what I perceived to be a day when the community was more closely knit and gathered in one place, here on rosity. There are many great sites and communities today, but I do like the idea of a central hub for the community. Im just being naiive, I guess thats just the nature of human affairs, as things grow larger they break apart and head in different directions. I do feel kind of left out of the poser "mainstream". The combination of V3 rendered in P5, while technically superior, leaves me somewhat cold. Posette and dork had a certain warmth and vulnerability that I don't see much of these days. This could all be my own perception, but I do hear a lot dissatisfaction and it makes me wonder if I'm not the only person who feels this way.