Marty, I think we had a miscommunication, I wasn't trying to say that the forum shouldn't be public, but that maybe a better forum system could be found else where, that doesn't seem to be a glitchy as this one. I have never had problems posting to a forum like I do to this one (meaning RMP, not specifically to these threads). I have to type these out in notepad or some such, or do a copy right before I post because half the time I try to post here it kicks me out to the main forum menu and I lose all of my typing :(. I try to be carefull with the way I phrase things, its soooo easy to have a misunderstanding, or offend some one when your trying to "talk" in a forum, I don't always succeed. I never ever meant to make it private, it to much fun talking to the other MD/AD enthusiasts! Oh and sorry, the prop I was talking about wasn't a freebie, I have so many props and what not I lose track (25 gig runtime directory, thats after I removed all the posette stuff). It was part of a MD package called Mimi. http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=26253 Also, did you see the texure package that serpentis put out for your new Bikini? It looks good, priced decent to. It might help drive sales for the Bikini. http://market.renderosity.com/softgood.ez?ViewSoftgood=28110