@raven_nightmares - > self-portraiture I am not voting for/against Self Portraits ... but I did learn something about that evil art last month. If you have time, you might look at these 2 threads ... "Self Portraits ... some observations" http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12379&Form.ShowMessage=1749658 "A Secret Revealed Concerning Comfort" http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=12379&Form.ShowMessage=1756727 MGD