This has me baffled too. I've just worked through JustLetGo's tutorial, and whilst I disagree with a some of his/her recommendations and conclusions, it worked fine. Timmylynn - you state that you are using the "cloth plane". Do you mean the "Hi-res square" from the props? Also, why are you parenting it to the figure? That shouldn't be necessary (at least, not at this stage). It would help us to help you if you could provide some more details and/or some screen captures of where things are going wrong. BTW, how much RAM do you have (Poser5 is a memory-hog) - you need a minimum of 256k, preferably 1gig (I have 512K and need more..) Cheers, Diolma