Foxeelady - I agree with all of the above. Just some words of advice: if you DO go for P5: - Install it in a totally separate directory. - Add extra RAM - Be prepared for longer rendering times - Add extra RAM - Add your existing P4 runtime to P5's (go to any library, up to the top level, aqnd add from there) - Add extra RAM And yes, the cloth room, the Firefly renderer and the materials room are well worth the investment (get rid of "Contents Paradise" tho..) Cheers, Diolma