ok this is getting tough Yeah, I took some time off from the discussion to document my original intention. > ... if I open the image in PSP and save, it auto optimizes > to the level I have sent. Is that "Save" or "Save for Web"? > So, I am post working without even intending it, go figure ... ;) Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that optimization is primarily to control the degree of JPEG compression as a tradeoff against file size. MGD