NVIAMC LOL, xena. I never thought of that. I'd hate to be responsible for cruelty to Gallery Viewers. 'but the swinging door is overwhelmingly popular' I guess that's because it's the easiest way to put up a door. I mean, you just hang it. All the other types need special recesses and what-not. Of course, there's always the round door. Very popular with hobbits. mac