Would that be a nested animation? I just got Livemotion the other day, haven't played with it much. You're right about p.179, I need to go through this manual more. I also just picked up a book called Adobe LiveMotion f/x&Design, by The Coriolis Group. It looks real good. The ISBN is 1-57670-676-4 if anyone is interested. I almost wish I hadn't bought Flash 4.0 too, wonder if I can get my money back? 8^) Marque