Coming back from my rehersal and finding this new thread before going top sleep. I'll test the wetsuit tomorrow. Are you still interested in me making a promo pic ?

As soon as the Wetsuit/Swimsuit is finished, I will begin working on a new product. I need to make something different. My next products must be top sellers or sales will be slow to keep me going. I have been looking at hentia, there is a lot of kinky stuff I could make that would sell across all character markets rather than only AnimeDoll. All of us who have noticed that bondage fetish products are consistant top sellers. I have a fresh aproach because I could base my products on hentia rather than real world. I didn't want to do blatently sexually perverted stuff, but I feel that is what I must do. I am considering a tentical monstor right now. Someone mentioned that in last forum thread and there was some chat about it. What do you think if that is my next product? marty

Sixus1 is making a tenticle monster you might want to check his forum out to make sure it's not gonna be in competiton on your design, but we don't have any monsters to combat so tenticle monsters are fine. Tenticle monsters aren't really Hentai, they are more horror. But in Hentai which is basically just cartoon porn lots of weird stuff happens so anything goes with that.

I am talking about a really demented tentical moster for monstor rape scenerios. I saw what Sixus is working on and mine would nothing like hers.

nanoshi i midly disagree to your definition of hentai... it is not "just porn", as far as i am asked... but it is not relevant here insomnia: well it is from nurbs ? oki coo;l. anyway it is not the sides of poly that puzzle me and makes my work difficult, it is the way it maps the polys on the texture map. well for an example just load some meshs from maya, from the md clothing pack free (like the "red" dress") to compare :) i don't know how you work and i am sure it is hard enoguh and that you choose what allow you more flexibility and less head scratchign and the like. If some things cannot be avoided by your software oki, it is fine, and thanx to explain it. but if some trhings can be avoided it may be itneresting to try out differently provided it does not add too much work on you though...

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The true word for hentai is 'very perverted'. Normal perverted stuff (girls wearing actual clothes with over exaggerated body parts and no room for imagination) would be called 'ecchi'. With tentical monsters, they are usually considered Hentai monsters for numerous reason that I won't mention. Nasty... Anyway, i'm ill again meaning i have to miss out MORE SATs! My life is officialy over (if i miss out on a test it's very possible i'll be put in the low group, unless they go by my last school report, which i hope they'll do)... Well, at least I can eat again after 24 hours of starvation, eating ice cubes and sipping water. And a bit of apple juice.

You know, my children always get sick at testing time too.......hmmm. ;0) The3dZone "If coincidences are coincidences,Why do they feel so contrived?" - Fox mulder

Actually in Japanese Hentai means simply Perverted. or it can mean Transformation. if you take it to mean the latter then Transformers could be classed as Hentai. but we know that's not the case, Hentai is hardcore cartoon porn. now some Hentai has demons in it, but this is akin to making a porno movie based on a horror movie. Tenticle monsters 90% of the time derive from the Cthullu mythos by HP Lovecraft and although those movies occasionally have sex scenes in them that doesn't make them Hentai.

Um, 'Hentai' doesn't mean transformation, that's 'Henshin' your talking about...

nanoshi, i really don't want to argue with you on that matter, but so many selfmade ideas is really irritating: there is ONE thing that is reccurent/common to MOST hentai things (except from the tentaculoid horror based ones, that is part of hentai but that does not stand for the majority of the genre) and that you WON'T find in us/occidental porn. it is HUMOR most of the time, hentai feature very comical/humoristic situations, and if they are not in a comical setting, they usually rely on other things. one other thing you will not find in porn movie but in hentai is PLOT and scenario for most hentai movies, especially the non comical or non demon/monster based one, there are always real cool plots... take mezzo forte or Kite (from the same designer), take necronomicon, and so on... for me, reducing hentai to perverted cartoon rawn porn with demons and tentacle is like saying cinema movies are reduced to only singing movies (like singing in the rain).. ouips that is already done as for most people, animated movie ae ONLY disney, :) so i strongly advice to broaden first your experience with hentai and try out a few various series or movies before using a sub category as a generic definition, no offence, thanx. i aleady have heard all those lame speech over and over in my country agaisnt ANIMe (classic one) then against hentai, so far and i am a bit tired having to explain that NO, anime and hentai are not only based about schoolgirl being raped by tentacular demons who are figthing against violence super power figthers :) it is not you specially, but after a thousand time the same speech i get bored :) if you want i can tell you of a few series now i also admit that in hentai there is common "porn"/sexual fetichism typical to japanese culture (and that i don't endorse so far) such as bondage, and such... but there are also some of the funniest things i ever saw :)

I heard of Kite...it's a dating simulator. Once, i thought i was downloading a demo, but it was actually just a 5 second long movie which showed the first five seconds of the intro. (a cel shaded seagul flying into the sun across a shiney sea...you see the words Kite in fancy writing). I wish i could make my own Dating Simulator...does anyone know if there is a way?

"schoolgirl being raped by tentacular demons who are figthing against violence super power figthers" Wow ! Now we have a selling concept ! ;)

Um...okey...

senshi taurus: no not THIs kite it is a thriller about a corrupted cop and self breed young killers... from a famous designer in anime... so no it is not a dating sim. :) will find you the name, when i got back my dvd i lended to a friend

Ahh, forget it....i'm not interested in hentai..... ^_^ I'm not dissin you in any way BTW. Your cool.

The Summer Wear set is just out in the Market Place. I uploaded my texture add-on to the freestuff. It is waiting for approval.

Well Riddukan to me you are just describing some anime series I have seen, I would never consider them Hentai, and I've never seen them labbelled as such. Maybe they just call them different things in your country. the bondage, stuff you refer to is what I know as Hentai, and is what I have seen hentai classified as in Japan and on some websites I have seen. the series you refer to are as far as I have seen just the kind of adult anime shows I watch as opposed to the sailor moon/pokemon stuff everyone else here watches. So I am not arguing with you, but I just see adult anime movies differently to hentai movies. and I have seen alot of anime, been watching anime since Marine Boy in the 60's so I don't need to broaden my viewing on this respect, I just don't view some of the series you mention as hentai and they certainly aren't labbeled as such in this country.

Marty, I put the swimsuit through the hoops and it looks good, the JCMs are performing nicely. I for the life of me can't come up with a render I like. I'll try again when I get home. I did test it with some of my magnet sets and my morphs work great on it! Grim

well it may be a question of labellign at the importation then... here, all "adult" anime is labelled hentai... and in fact if i follow the definition i was given once a while from the person who brought me into japanese animation (wholly, not only adult one) some of the elements found in hentai makes many series to fit in such label, i mean as expressed in the native land. but well it is not the place for that i gues.. i did not suggest you to broaden your anime knowledge, just the hentai part of it, but as you say that for you, not all adult animation is called hentai, well i won't argue... marine boy ? i guess the serie had another name in m coutnry too. I saw many different translation of series when brought abroad from japan. Some ever very weird or strange /irrelevant translations so it is sure hard to figure what serie you are referring. in fact for umetsu yasuomi (mezzo forte, kite, yellow star) in fact it is less hentai, it is closer to typical tv movie of police story and thriller. In fact if you look at his work, there is plot, and not much sex scene, maybe as few as in a regular tv movie (just a bit more displaying, not suggesive...) well anyway one thing i can swear i am sure is that, there (in japan) hentai does not always mean bondage or tentacles so far (though bondage or toys are a strong fetish in their sexual life and culture and is ought to be present), and that usually hentai is supposed to carry "humor". anyway well it is not the place as i said. maybe it would be interesting (for both of us) to try to find out a true definition from a native, ney ?

Not going to get into the "What is Hentai?" debate that has suddenly sprung up, but I will put my two cents into what I think of the idea. ^_^ Go For It!!!!! Here's a little wisdom I read a long time ago: "People define anime as to what they see. The otaku of anime define anime as to what it is. To the people, they see the hentai version of it. To the otaku, they see the innovation in it. People also have the mindset of lemmings."

you guys......don't make me break out the hose now...lol the3dzone

does anyone else here know how to conform clothing? i have issues.... the character i'm working on is morphed way smaller than the original v3. so,i built her a dress to fit her,and now i can't figure out how to conform it,if i use the v3 blank cr2 it won't conform to her,does anyone know what to do in this case? the3dzone

I don't care what hentia is....Damn..!,...all I am trying to say is that sales remain low on clothing items made only fit fit anime doll. I am planning some other projects that cross the line between "titilation" to major porn issues. I hope those of you who know me and don't believe I should work on it, would speek up. I hope those who have known me don't judge me by this, because I am only trying to increase sales in a very competitive market place. I asked Clint from Rosity what I should do and he said I should think unique, make something that no one else is making and you will get sales. This is what I intend to do. If I feel that consenses is that these items or props should not be discussed here, I will understand. I plan to make spin off forum threads on these items. Those of you who are interested can join me there also. If these items are more sucessful than my average items, then I will have more time to experiement and take risks on ideas such as Nansohi's which difficult because they unfamiliar to me. I apoligised to Nanoshi by email and I am also appoligizing to her here for not completing her items at this time. Maybe compiler will help also on making Nanoshi's products ready for market place. I am too slow making the SummerWearOne package promo material. I appoligise for this also. I have had a lot come up in the last 24 hours. Its all good news, but it has pulled me away from working for a spell. I will be working on the promomaterial approximately 12 hours from now. Riddokun, uvmapping is very difficult to get things layed out as well as I do. There is always going to be some twisting or bending somewhere on a model that you don't like. There is always a process of give and take, that is you get one thing, but you loose another with all maps. I have been laying my maps out so that general purpose maps will work well. I know they are difficult to paint lines on because of the uvmap is flat and the actual model has all sorts of twists and bends and sometimes unions between two meshes. One thing you will notice about all my uvmaps is that I use a checker patern extensively while setting them up. That is, if you put a checker patern on the clothing, the checker pattern will flow the way you would expect. Where the fabric becomes more narrow as near sleeves, the checker patern will get more dense like fabric would, where the fabric stretches wide around hips for instance, the checker pattern will grow as if stretched. This is my goal in uvmapping. I will look at the uvmaps from the objects that you ask me to look. But my way is not a wrong way to do it, but it is only one way. Riddokun, you must understand that uvmapping is like modeling in reverse...after you are done with your model, its a process of taking it appart again. If you want to make major changes in the uvmaps that I have set up, it can take days or even weeks to get them right sometimes. I have to get my products done on a timely bases. Look into 3dpainting software for making lines or templets for complex textures, thats the best advise I can give you. marty

Very nice Render Grim, that is how I first intended to use the swimsuit, to be worn with other clothing such as skirts or skater pants, like in the picture I first posted in forum thread number 5.

insomnia yes i understand that uvmappin is an art on itself (say let see bijouchat v2 to mayadoll remapping.; was quite a task, indeed) anyway as i said, your "out of rhino" mesh maps were so far theonly ones liek that i ever saw till now. and i can say that if (with my lame skills) try to make a patterned texture and want the patterns not to be broken at seams/boundaries, it is just a hell to me so far. i don't have software slike deeppaint, i do all i can by hand... i remember how i had hard time making my strawberry suits early, or more recently making for examle tank top perfectly seamed versions of my kolitexture package... and in fact, those clothes were very easy for the texturer, regarding their mapping god the fact is i insist so much is because so far, the products i bought from you (as the minidress, the first, for me) are so cool i really would like to make good textures but not be lazy and just let seamed/flawed ones... gues si have to work harder before i can harness/handle rhino mapped meshes... as for the hentai debate, well as i said i was sorry to push the issue so far here, i wrote an im to nanoshi for further exchange in private about this. But well, i am very sensitive and reacting very fast with some matters...

I don't think any less of you if you decide to build hentai-type materials, landscapes or rocket flames. It's all the same to me (well, you know what I mean). Sex sells. The Gallery is just a small indication of that. ^_^

well remind your own harness :) i would not shun on you either. many merchans sells "on the edge of tos" products here too :) and surprisingly enough, it works :) ^how many bustiers, leather suits, harness and such are out at rmp , hm ?

Nia, there is nothing wrong with marketing more sexual items,it doesn't make you some kind of perv or anything,and i wouldn't think any less of you for making them. i think they would sell very well. depending on the naughtiness of it however,i don't think it should have as much coverage about it in the forum like your other products. just my humble opinion. Grim, i tried the tailor on the last dress i made for v3 nothing on the dress worked after that,it just screwed the whole thing up,and i had to start over. D...D....D :0)

Yeah I appologise for starting a debate about anime classifications etc. on another note though I bought the 'Helsing' series the other day, I like that one alot, set in London too which was fun to see. and Alucard is one cool dude. would be cool to make a model of him, I might have a go at it, but don't hold any breaths :) I tried to make some Clothing the other day based on the Final Fantasy FX stuff after D/L Ygg's Yuna model was intrigued to see what she was wearing. I started to make the micro mini her fiend with the swords was wearing, it didn't turn out bad, but i am unsure as to how one makes a tight fitting waitband on such clothing. Anyone watch Cowboy Beebop? I was looking at Faye Valentines outfit too that's a nice one to make.

lol fiend = friend, waitband = waistband. ok I'm gonna set up a forum for us, this one is a pain in the ass

^_^ Now see... if I could model clothes, I would've made her a set of clothes pulled straight from the FFX-2 game. But, things being how they are...

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Hey... I haven't seen Hack in awhile. Is he still producing art or taking a break? (Missing Artist Alert in case you were wondering)

yes, hellsing is one of the best anime serie i ever saw in the last 5 years (and i had seen many). really good. the soundtrackis stunning, the chara design too, the plot is nice... not long ago, i remember a friend of mine trying to "corrupt" baron vlad harkonnen into making "hellsing" related stuff for poser after his vicki2 SWAT suit. He provided him picture sof halucard, of the "'harkonnen" gun of Celas victoria and such. after all, as my friend said, it is just the hand of fate if the popular poser character is named victoria, and the guy who made a cool swat suit is named harkonnen :) he could not let him go away with it :)

hey,did someone here send out mail with this subject? ^-^ mew-mew (-: i ask because i don't open mail from unknown senders. ddd

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When I think Hentai I think porn. From LA Blue Girl to Legend of the Overfiend- in other words sex, and lots of it. I don't usually buy sex type items and bondage gear, but I reckon you'll still find a large market. You have to do what you have to do. :)

Marty : as I said in a recent IM, I got a swimsuit version with non functional JCM. Could you send me the latest version so that I can start working on promo pics this week-end ? Nanoshi : Marty hinted that you could use some help in finalising items. If it is the case and you think I can help, I'm all yours. Ridokkun : "The forbidden city" falls into the adult anime genre, with sex scenes (with daemons and such), but I wouldn't label it Hentai. We just don't have that kind of films in occident, that's why we have a hard time figuring out what they are exactly. Marty : I'm not that sure that "sex sells". There are no sex items in the Top20. There are textures, fetish clothes, but nothing suited for Renderotica. If you do explicitly sexual items, you'd run the risk of getting a bad rep. Sexy surely sells (otherwise why would we see so many girls in bikini trying to sell us cars ?), but you can always make "sexy promo pics". I mean, the swimsuit you're working on can be textured to look like a sports wetsuit or a fetish latex leotard. I wonder if MayaDoll is a good candidate to carry on sexyness. She is not realistic enough. May be you could concentrate on the AnimeDoll, which is still in the top 20. As for sexy in the anime genre, well we already have miniskirted schoolgirl uniforms and maid outfits,the bunny outfit with your catsuit, and there are bustiers, fetish leotards and fetishic clothes in the MP. A japanese gym outfit could be nice, or cheongsam dress (china dress). You could also make a Ninja accesories pack or a cyborg outfit. Or a Bubblegum crisis like suit. Or a really cool SF motorcycle. Or SF weapons ? As for improving sales, have you considered selling at other stores ?

hehehe I got a Ninja suit and accessories in the pipeline, been working on cyberlimbs too and a Knight Sabres powersuit is still my ultimate goal. I actually started work on a full powersuit outfit, but not got too far with it yet. I also discovered City of Heroes MMORPG which I been playing a bit these last few weeks whilst I been recouperating. I could churn out some weapons packs too now I got a better grip of Rhino. I also started work on a bathroom scene compleate with shower cubicle for those shower scenes ;) But these are the kinds of projects that Marty needs time to work on, and at the moment he's trying to keep his head above the water so to speak. I do think it would be cool to look at some of the clothes that characters such as Yuna from Fimal Fantasy and her friends wear and maybe things like from Cowbot Bebop etc. and make some clothes along those lines. I don't know what it is about anime clothes but they are subtly styled different enough to real world clothes to warrent some attention. as for help finalizing some products I'll have a dig around and see what needs doing, I have made so much stuff in Rhino now it's unreal.

i'm trashing the dress anyway,too many poke thrus that i don't know how to fix yet. i have built all kinds of clothes,for v3 and anime doll but i guess that's as far as i can go right now,cause i still get stuck at the conforming part. pretty soon i may have to just put them all in free stuff as royalty free meshes and let some one else deal with the conforming part...lol ddd

Grimjerk : oops, I forgot I had that China dress. As for the cr2 link in the previous thread, it leads to a cr2 with the JCM as morphs and not as JCM. 3DZ : I can have a look at conforming your meshes, if you wish.

thanks compiler,that'd be great :0) ddd

DOH, I downloaded it, thru it in a basic pose to do the pic and didn't notice that the JCMs were still not working! I loaded up the jeans before I looked at the hip to see if the JCMs were working yet. I just reloaded it and yeah they still arn't working

ddd, I'm willing to take a crak at the conforming as well. I have far more experience getting things to fit MD then V3, but theoretically V3 should be easier (yeah, right).

ddd

YAY! I'm not very ill anymaore! And i also was able to do my Macbeth SATs.... Anyway, why isn't my promo picture in the product thingie? tears Well, the V3 model is coming on nicely. Well, that's all i have to say.......um.......Look! An obvious distraction! runs away trips over

Sorry, forget what i said about the promos, i JUST saw the little text..."Promo Pages under construction - please check back in the next 24 hours"......silly me!