Well it's been fun. It's a real shame, I've met, debated with and developed real affection for a lot of people from all walks of life and all kinds of places. The idea of artists not having heated debates seems weird. 'This is not up for debate. We hope you all understand why we had to close it down. Thanks Spike' No, Spike, I personally don't understand. I do understand censorship though. No warnings, no requests to tone it down or lose it just 'this is not open to debate' Nice. To all my friends I'll see you in some other forum no doubt, take care and, in the spirit of bad jokes, Sci-fi references and all that did make Renderosity a fun place.....Live long and Render ;)