No problem Tephladon, thanks a bunch for taking some of your off time to try and post a tutorial for us. Wish I can be of help to you in some way, I owe you one. I do have a question for you, and you do not have to go into details but to answer that specific question. I will play with the spline modeler my-self and figure it out, the question is do you create the out line of head on the sweep path as you did for the nose or do you make the outline on the cross-section? Love and Peace Serge