Oh, and one other thing. Before anyone starts shouting for a 'from the ground up code rewrite', just remember what it is that makes poser so interesting for a lot of us (and so usable for the rest of you). Yup! You guessed it! The fact that we can get into it's guts and hack it. If it wasn't for poser's crap old code, we'd never have gotten MAT files, morph injection and a hundred other things. Just look at the hoo-hah that was raised when people discovered Daz Studio was writen in binary. mac