@Spike: "Maybe a list of topics that will not be allowed?" That won't work. If the idea of opening a forum, under any other name besides "OT" is the idea, with censored content, you're back at square one. You simply cannot tell the masses to shut the hell up. I have read nearly every forum on this web site, and all, at some point or another, have contained what you and Mr. and Mrs. Tim would consider a violation of your TOS. Most of the mods do a good job of maintaining some sense of civility, but at times they simply DO NOT exercise good judgment. Many of the discussions that are locked and/or deleted are actually quite important to those who authored them as well as to those who reply. I'm not talking about the ones with the racist remarks and the childish name calling, I'm talking about the discussions labeled [OT] in the forums which deal with sensitive and rational subject matter. It is more than obvious that the mods are under strict and direct supervision by the owners of this domain to see that some discussions are brought to a halt immediately, and in doing so, it is obvious and apparent the political and/or religious and/or financial viewpoint of the owners. If they don't agree with it, the thread is locked. You cannot argue me on this point, it is fact. You monitor under strict direction what is said here by the masses regarding arguing, religion and world politics. It drives you insane the heated discussions of forum members and somehow feel those heated discussions detract from the otherwise natural purity of this web site...you know, the bondage crap for sale and the pubic hair. The stuff that fills the wallet. It's all rather ridiculous. If you're going to have an OT or VT forum, you'd better realize that things will be discussed within them that some, including Mr. and Mrs. Tim, will find objectionable. You will have a 24/7/365 job maintaining any given format of "guidelines" because guidelines were made to be broken. It's human nature. People GET PISSED OFF with one another while discussing sensitive issues. It's called debate. It's what the free world enjoys. The owners of this web site need to pluck their heads from their butts and realize it's not always about them, that the content authored by forum members is content AUTHORED by forum members and has nothing to do whatsoever with the political and/or religious viewpoints of the domain owners. To be honest, I think the idea someone had to create an OT forum on Yahoo is the best idea here. They'll be able to vent, they'll be able to speak their minds on various issues without fear of the thought police who are known as Renderosity Mods/Domain Owners. But more importantly, they'll be able to argue with each other and get really pissed off which is actually a beautiful thing indeed. Solutions are borne of argument. Always. Give it up. A VT or OT with pre-determined and policed content will never work, and is a ludicrous, Orwellian idea indeed.