watches from the Old Fogey's Rocker I remember when NudeYoungWoman was the Thing. Remember her? mm? probably don't .. that was waaay back in the days of Poser3. Yes I said 3 grin And then it was Posette this Posette that .. and Eve and then next thing you know Victoria showed up, and then Judy came in late but couldn't make the cut. Poor thing .. not her fault she shipped with a less than user fiendly version of the program. Victoria .. that's where DAZ took the market. Since then there have been some compeition but by and large, the industry standard is Daz product, like it or not. At least for the most part Daz's models are well built, well mapped (not that first dragon though!) and user friendly. Its hard to be all things to all people. I agree with pdxjim that lack of support is what has killed most other 3rd party models ... Natalie, Dina, Cindy... why get a new model if you have 1 skin texture and one clothing item? easier to get Vicky and pick up all the free addons lying around. Not everyone can cough up a few hundred bucks every time a new pretty face shows up. Fads have come and gone (thank god!) and so even the mouse has had his day. Mayadoll is the first free model with a great support base .. and that I think is because the Japanese Poser group is so strong (which is a Good Thing). The Anime doll is also doing very well since it perfectly fits a certain look that has gone begging in the market for a very long time. And she can steal the Mayadoll's clothing which is helpful :) I think that if a dedicated group gets their act together, like the Japanese Poser guys, it may in fact be possible to make and support a new free figure. But. Who here can afford the time and money that will take? Most of the better known and experianced makers are hip deep in projects that go towards paying rent and bandwidth. Newer users don't know the pitfalls to avoid, and don't have the circle of contacts needed for support. A site can do it .. look at Laroo and Alexa .. but we're running out of big sites with the resources. It could happen. It has happened. But will it happen again? only time will say PS I'm having some odd affects on Steve ... so who knows what PW is going to come up with? evil grin Lyrra