Hi Ed, i use often the modifiers for my works and i can say that i reach almost always the results that i need. You can be more specific about the model that you want to deform?? Very often i use also bones to deform my model in complex ways. Another interesting technique is to apply several deformers on the same object. Oops, i've expandend a few this topic:-P BTW, let me know about the model where you want to apply the deformer. -TOXE