I should mentioned, I do 98% of my modeeling in Rhino, so the modelers don't really matter to me. What I really use Carrara for is texturing ad rendering. I do some animationin it, like flying logos and techy type stuff, no character stuff at all. I use Flamingo (Rhino Render plugin) with Rhino, but it's not really an animation app. I like Carrara for its scene building rendering. So those are the factors that matter for me in upgrading. I'm wondering about the speed over v2, and I'm interested in all the new rendering options in 3.. And had the texturing changed at all? thanks kaom