"...glorified look-up table of technical questions..." LOL GREAT description of this site There are few who can teach me anything new about P4- it's because of what Phantast said in Post #28 that I seldom respond to questions or give directions to free items anymore. This stopped being a community when the hyper separation of subjects in the technical forums began. As far as our members- the site admin. seems to have forgotten. 3d Art is not for dummies, period. These people who are the core members are some of the smartest and most curious ppl on the planet. As such, that also makes us opinionated. So what!!! Here is an idea- let us talk for our self and butt out. Trolls and kiddies we learn who they are and tend to ignore. They will go away. We, as adults who are not PC all the time can defend our selfs, that is part of being an adult. treat us like that and you would be amazed at how many and who would come to your defense when you need it, and sooner or later you will. But as of now, if the Gov. came for you and this site- well- you pissed into the wind, don't be surprised if you get hit by spray. "I am not nor have I ever been a member of the communist party, senator/judge/banker" Sound familiar? Treat adults like adults and let us defend our self, that also goes for the "complainers" you bend over backwards to appease. And you know what appeasement got the British in 1939.