Well I am new, so I know nothing about the fiasco and stuff. I am just happy there's a place where I can find stuff, aks for help with problems and show my work. There's still a lot to learn and joining up with renderosity has helped me already after a few days. And oh well, when I get some decent stuff done, like my poseable body armor I will share it so you have some new stuff Ookami ;) grin The Engineer.