Well I decided to go ahead and buy it.. Hopefully Carrara 3 and Rhino 3 arrive on the same day, that will be a happy day soon. I'll get priority shipping. I'm just afraid I'm gonna buy Carrara, then they're going to release Flamingo 2.0, and I know for a fact, I'm going to want that. Flamingo is an amzing renderer, slower than hell, but a super nice program.. thanks kaom