Very well stated Agiel, "1) Renderosity's staff (including coordinators and moderators) is NOT paid by vendors to defend their products." This is so true. However just to add a little to your statement. With out the vendor there would be no forum and attacks on said vendor IMHO need prompt attention by any moderator, and frankly you are doing a very good job at tending this forum to keep any flame wars dampened. Much like an excellent smoke alarm if you will :O). The work involved to do this is much more than most people are aware of and to do it for free is really asking a lot by Renderosity. In this forums case Renderosity is getting much, much more than they are paying for that is for sure. Keep up the excellent job. Thanks, `shoop