Just to add, in this scenario DAZ is comparable to MS, and CL is somewhat comparable to IBM. Back in the 80's in the pc venue, IBM thought the hardware was the thing, they didn't think there was any money in the software, so they left development of that to others - oooops. They're just recovering from that mistake the last five to ten years and only had the luxury to suffer that failure and make a come back because they had so many other things going to keep them afloat. Curious Labs seems to be falling prey to the same kind of thinking - their hardware is Poser, they're letting DAZ run away with the software - figures. It's a losing bet, and while the new parent company may be able to survive losing that bet, Poser won't. Unzipped